Tom Veldkamp, Marjolein Dohmen and Sandra Nienhuis from 4TU visited the 4TU-Redesign team. Tenure trackers Max Koppenberg and Anand Gavai shared ideas about mutual collaboration between 4TU tenure trackers. PhDs Sophia Renner and Oscar Sottie did the same from the PhD perspective. Long-term prospects of the programme were also discussed. The visit ended with an interesting excursion to the greenhouse on campus organised by tenure tracker Cristina Zepeda.